Remote Start Questions

Redrocket1

Redrocket1

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Kalamazoo, MI
Vehicle Model
Civic Si
Body Style
Coupe
Hey guys, I'm trying to prepare for installing a remote starter and bypass that I ordered. However, I have questions that I can't seem to find answers to.
Remote starter: Viper 4806v
Bypass: Flashlogic FLCAN

General questions that would help me so much:
Do I need to directly connect from the remote star unit to the parking lights, horn, trunk release, dome light, tachometer, alarm arm/disarm, door lock/unlock, or are these going to work through the CAN bus?
For each of the accessory 1, accessory 2, ignition, and starter, there is another set named 200mA ignition, 200mA starter etc. What are those for?

I have an electrical engineering degree and I've even installed a cheap remote start in my old civic, but I have too many questions to feel comfortable jumping into this.
Please help!
 
Thanks. I also posted to the12volt, hoping to at least get my questions answered. But here is the wiring from the remote starter:

Vehicle Information: 2013 Honda Civic Si Coupe (manual trans)
Alarm / Remote Start Unit: Viper 4806v
Bypass Module: FlashLogic FLCAN
Alarm / Remote Start / Bypass Unit Vehicle
Connection Color Description Color Polarity Location:
H/1 Red (+)12VDC CONSTANT INPUT
H/2 Black (-) CHASSIS GROUND
H/3 Brown (-) 200mA HORN HONK OUTPUT
H/4 White/Brown LIGHT FLASH ISOLATION WIRE - PIN 87a light flash relay
H/5 White PIN 30 of LIGHT FLASH RELAY
H/6 Orange 500 mA GROUND WHEN ARMED OUTPUT
1 Blue 500mA (-) UNLOCK OUTPUT
2 Empty NOT USED
3 Green 500mA (-) LOCK OUTPUT
1 Pink/White (-) 200mA Ignition 2/Flex OUTPUT
2 Blue/White (-) 200mA 2ND STATUS /REAR DEFOGGER OUTPUT
3 Red/White (-) 200mA TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT
4 Black/Yellow (-) 200mA DOME LIGHT OUTPUT
5 Dark Blue (-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT
6 White/Black (-) 200mA AUX 3 OUTPUT
7 White/Violet (-) 200mA AUX 1 OUTPUT
8 Orange/Black (-) 200mA AUX 4 OUTPUT
9 Gray (-) HOOD PIN INPUT (NC OR NO)
10 Blue* FACTORY HORN INPUT (Use Jumper to set polarity)
11 White/Blue ACTIVATION INPUT
12 Violet/White** TACHOMETER INPUT
13 Black/White*** (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY /PARKING BRAKE INPUT
14 Green/Black (-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM DISARM OUTPUT
15 Green** (-) DOOR INPUT
16 Empty NOT USED
17 Pink (-) 200mA IGNITION 1 OUTPUT
18 Violet** (+) DOOR INPUT
19 Violet/Black (-) 200mA AUX 2 OUTPUT
20 Brown (+) BRAKE SHUTDOWN INPUT
21 Violet/Yellow (-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT
22 Gray/Black (-) DIESEL WAIT TO START INPUT
23 Orange (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT
24 Green/White (-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM ARM OUTPUT
1 Red/Black (+) 12VDC CONSTANT INPUT for ACC and starter relays
2 Pink/Black (+) FLEX RELAY INPUT 87A key side (if required) of FLEX RELAY
3 Pink/White (+) IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY OUTPUT
4 Red (+) 12VDC CONSTANT INPUT for ignition 1 relay
5 Violet (+) STARTER OUTPUT
6 Orange (+) ACCESSORY OUTPUT
7 Red/White (+) 12VDC CONSTANT INPUT for ignition 2 and flex relays
8 Pink (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT
* This optional input can be connected to the horn circuit (+ or -) in vehicles with
factory alarm. When this wire receives input for a minimum of 5 seconds, the
system reports a trigger on the 2-way remote. This input is for 2-way 5-buttonsystems
only.
** Required connection for manual transmission vehicles.
*** Ground this wire for automatic transmission vehicles or connect to the parking
brake wire for manual transmission vehicles (see owners guide for manual
transmission procedure).
 
Thanks man, this is going to explain a lot. I hate how Viper didn't include descriptions in the manual for the 4806...
 
I will still probably have one unanswered question though. Exactly which connections can I omit because they will be taken care of by the bypass / CAN bus?
 
I install remote starts but haven't done one on our cars yet and I've only been doing it about 6 months. On the cars that I've done that utilizes can bus system you still need to tap into the ign,constant,accessory,starter, and ground. So basically If I'm thinking right can bus takes care of lock/unlock, parking lights, brake shut off, and factory arm/disarm. This is at least for some of the cars I've done. I'm not sure what the 200mA wires you're speaking of mean or do but I'm sure you're only gonna deal with the "normal" versions of those wires. Also I had this happen to me today on a VW beetle (VW's suck when it comes to r.s.), on this beetle one accessory wire was for the radio and the other was for the climate control circuit. I tapped into the accessory wire for the radio when I installed the r.s. A few months back and the customer came back complaining her cabin wouldn't warm up when she used it. So I had to go back and switch into the other wire. I don't think you'd have that issue on a Honda since it's a little less engineered but just giving you a heads up.
 
Here's my best attempt at what goes where.. Any experts?

Connection Color Description Destination
H/1 Red (+)12VDC CONSTANT INPUT 12v red
H/2 Black (-) CHASSIS GROUND chassis ground
H/3 Brown (-) 200mA HORN HONK OUTPUT CAN
H/4 White/Brown LIGHT FLASH ISOLATION WIRE - PIN 87a light flash relay NC
H/5 White PIN 30 of LIGHT FLASH RELAY CAN
H/6 Orange 500 mA GROUND WHEN ARMED OUTPUT NC
1 Blue 500mA (-) UNLOCK OUTPUT CAN
2 Empty NOT USED
3 Green 500mA (-) LOCK OUTPUT CAN
1 Pink/White (-) 200mA Ignition 2/Flex OUTPUT NC
2 Blue/White (-) 200mA 2ND STATUS /REAR DEFOGGER OUTPUT NC
3 Red/White (-) 200mA TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT CAN
4 Black/Yellow (-) 200mA DOME LIGHT OUTPUT CAN
5 Dark Blue (-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT NC
6 White/Black (-) 200mA AUX 3 OUTPUT Aux?
7 White/Violet (-) 200mA AUX 1 OUTPUT Aux?
8 Orange/Black (-) 200mA AUX 4 OUTPUT Aux?
9 Gray (-) HOOD PIN INPUT (NC OR NO) CAN
10 Blue* FACTORY HORN INPUT (Use Jumper to set polarity) NC
11 White/Blue ACTIVATION INPUT NC
12 Violet/White** TACHOMETER INPUT CAN
13 Black/White*** (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY /PARKING BRAKE INPUT CAN
14 Green/Black (-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM DISARM OUTPUT CAN
15 Green** (-) DOOR INPUT CAN
16 Empty NOT USED
17 Pink (-) 200mA IGNITION 1 OUTPUT NC
18 Violet** (+) DOOR INPUT CAN
19 Violet/Black (-) 200mA AUX 2 OUTPUT Aux?
20 Brown (+) BRAKE SHUTDOWN INPUT CAN
21 Violet/Yellow (-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT NC
22 Gray/Black (-) DIESEL WAIT TO START INPUT
23 Orange (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT NC
24 Green/White (-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM ARM OUTPUT NC
1 Red/Black (+) 12VDC CONSTANT INPUT for ACC and starter relays 12V red
2 Pink/Black (+) FLEX RELAY INPUT 87A key side (if required) of FLEX RELAY NC
3 Pink/White (+) IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY OUTPUT program as accessory 2, connect to accessory 2
4 Red (+) 12VDC CONSTANT INPUT for ignition 1 relay 12V red
5 Violet (+) STARTER OUTPUT Connect to starter
6 Orange (+) ACCESSORY OUTPUT connect to accessory 1
7 Red/White (+) 12VDC CONSTANT INPUT for ignition 2 and flex relays NC
8 Pink (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT connect to ignition 1
 
Which remote start do you guys recommend for 5 speed 2013 LX? Can anyone post some rough quotes in US and Canada?
 
im sorry guys remote starts are out of my league car audio on the other hand im decent with. :(

@Adam Pakula i dont have work tm but i need to swing by any way and grab you a rough quote if you want.
 
Redrocket1 said:
Hey guys, I'm trying to prepare for installing a remote starter and bypass that I ordered. However, I have questions that I can't seem to find answers to.
Remote starter: Viper 4806v
Bypass: Flashlogic FLCAN

General questions that would help me so much:
Do I need to directly connect from the remote star unit to the parking lights, horn, trunk release, dome light, tachometer, alarm arm/disarm, door lock/unlock, or are these going to work through the CAN bus?
For each of the accessory 1, accessory 2, ignition, and starter, there is another set named 200mA ignition, 200mA starter etc. What are those for?

I have an electrical engineering degree and I've even installed a cheap remote start in my old civic, but I have too many questions to feel comfortable jumping into this.
Please help!
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dont worry, you certainly dont have to wire to everything individually :P

200mA ign and starter are for backup relays. Even tho they arent backup when the prim. fails, its for power switching within the relay on primary on/off

As for the wiring, if it's standard, clutch bypass and several other electronic connections are required. I haven't install one on our civics, but i know they will only be 3 connection type, aside from running your antenna's :P

I can try to draw a wiring diagram, but you'd still have the find the right wires to connect to (or splice into) to retreive the proper signals the 4806v is looking for.

Check what the manual says and go from there to locate the right stuff :)

Sorry i couldnt be more help :/
 
The following is the answer I received at the12volt.com (Thread: http://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp~TID~135841~PN~1):

Hopefully the seller flashed the FLCAN with the FLC-AL(DL)-HA3 version of firmware. Here is a link to the current install guide :
http://cdncontent2.idatalink.com/corporate/Content/Manuals/DL-HA3/FLC-AL(DL)-HA3-EN_20130909.pdf
For your car, you will follow the Type 2 diagram. All of the dashed Orange wires are handled by the D2D harness connection.
Also refference the chart on Page 2. It lists the functions that are supported with each vehicle. Specifically, your car has no
sliding doors or power lift gate and those features, while shown in the Type 2 diagram are not suported for your car.

The Viper 4806 is a remote start with keyless entry only. It has no alarm functions, however the FLCAN supplies those signals
and they will be needed for your install because the vehicle has a manual transmission. The manual transmission makes things
more complicated. Here are the basics :
1. You must run the Viper in Tach Mode.
2. You must connect the Door, Trunk and Hood status signals.
3. You must shutdown the car and enter Reservation Mode to enable a remote startup.
4. You must connect the EBrake to the Viper ( as the Neutral Safety input ).
5. You must properly bypass the clutch pedal interlock during a remote start.

In two-way D2D mode a lot of these signals are taken care of. The Door Status, Trunk Status and Hood Status ( if your car has
a factory installed Hood Pin ) are all gathered by the FLCAN and passed on to the Viper via the D2D harness. Same goes for
the Brake Pedal, EBrake and Tach. Additionally, the Vipers Lock, Unlock, Disarm and Status Output ( GWR ) signals are handled
by the D2D harness.

Here is the wiring necessary :


H/1 Red (+)12VDC CONSTANT INPUT white (50A) + ignition switch
H/2 Black (-) CHASSIS GROUND Chassis ground
H/3 Brown (-) 200mA HORN HONK OUTPUT orange or pink - horn switch
H/4 White/Brown LIGHT FLASH ISOLATION WIRE not used
H/5 White LIGHT FLASH *** Set to (-) *** gray (-) headlight switch
H/6 Orange 500 mA GROUND WHEN ARMED not used

1 Blue 500mA (-) UNLOCK OUTPUT not used handled by D2D
2 Empty NOT USED
3 Green 500mA (-) LOCK OUTPUT not used handled by D2D

1 Pink/White (-) 200mA Ignition 2/Flex OUTPUT not used
2 Blue/White (-) 200mA 2ND STATUS /DEFOG not used
3 Red/White (-) 200mA TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT not used handled by D2D
4 Black/Yellow (-) 200mA DOME LIGHT OUTPUT not used
5 Dark Blue (-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT not used handled by D2D
6 White/Black (-) 200mA AUX 3 OUTPUT not used
7 White/Violet (-) 200mA AUX 1 OUTPUT not used
8 Orange/Black (-) 200mA AUX 4 OUTPUT not used
9 Gray (-) HOOD PIN INPUT (NC OR NO) not used handled by D2D
10 Blue* FACTORY HORN INPUT not used
11 White/Blue ACTIVATION INPUT not used
12 Violet/White TACHOMETER INPUT not used handled by D2D *** set Viper to Tach Mode ***
13 Black/White (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY / EBRAKE not used handled by D2D
14 Green/Black (-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM DISARM not used handled by D2D
15 Green** (-) DOOR INPUT not used handled by D2D
16 Empty NOT USED
17 Pink (-) 200mA IGNITION 1 OUTPUT not used
18 Violet** (+) DOOR INPUT not used
19 Violet/Black (-) 200mA AUX 2 OUTPUT not used
20 Brown (+) BRAKE SHUTDOWN INPUT not used handled by D2D
21 Violet/Yellow (-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT clutch bypass
22 Gray/Black (-) DIESEL WAIT TO START INPUT not used
23 Orange (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT not used
24 Green/White (-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM ARM not used

1 Red/Black (+) 12VDC CONSTANT INPUT white (50A) + ignition switch
2 Pink/Black (+) FLEX RELAY INPUT 87A FLEX RELAY not used
3 Pink/White (+) IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY OUTPUT red + ignition switch *** set to ACC2***
4 Red (+) 12VDC CONSTANT INPUT for ignition 1 relay white (50A) + ignition switch
5 Violet (+) STARTER OUTPUT yellow + ignition switch
6 Orange (+) ACCESSORY OUTPUT orange + ignition switch
7 Red/White (+) 12VDC CONSTANT INPUT white (50A) + ignition switch
8 Pink (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT blue + ignition switch
 
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