Hey these look like the same bike?

[Nix]

As an addendum to the MTB thread something I've found funny working in the bike industry is how often a "revolutionary" frame design is just a recycled or slightly tweaked to avoid patents stolen idea.... so just for fun... some pics

1994 specialized Stumpjumper FSR

2006... more than 20 years later: Cannondale Scalpel

There is a long story that goes with these two.
1996-97-98 AMP B4

1999 Specialized FSR

Outland bikes pioneered what is known as VPP or virtual pivot point bikes in the mid to late 90's, technology currently owned and relied on by several large current companies like Intense, Santa Cruz, Iron Horse (RIP), and others. Notice the similar rear shock placement on several designs.

The most copied design yet?
1996 Manitou.

Ill post more when I dig out my files off my old HD. hahaha. Feel free to add if you have some. Vertical shock placement is a notorious one also.

99 Kona

2009 Specialized Enduro

2012 Trek Fuel

Loads and loads more.....

 

[KennyGS]

Patents have a duration of only 14 years in the U.S. I assume different in other countries. Some countries don't use patents, or observe them.

As an engineer in new product development, and holder of patents, it is my opinion that they are mostly useless. Certainly, if a powerful and rich entity tells you that your design is really theirs, you are probably screwed. However, there are many aspects to a design, that although they can appear to be similar, there can be several nuances that make one greatly superior. So you can have a design that has many substantial benefits over another, and can argue them to the point where your design will be allowed.

Also, there are companies that will outright steal ideas, and you will go crazy and/or broke trying to enforce your patent. Instead, it makes more sense to have a very solid design, go to market with it, and capture the initial exposure and success. If your design is superior, it will outlast the copies and endure.

I have seen a few of my designs copied - unsuccessfully.

 

[webby]

quickster stealing your stuff? You guys go after them?

 

[KennyGS]

Hahaha.

 

[webby]

in seriousness, did you ever go after the other companies?

 

[KennyGS]

No

 

[Nix]

The best part is the "Horst Link" that was designed back in the 80's. A guy working for Horst Leitner of AMP bikes came up with the best pivot location so far. Specialized bought it and has maintained strict enforcement and licensing of the idea. It was such a good idea that they still use it on all their bikes. The guy who came up with it now runs his own bike company and has to pay licensing to use the idea that he came up with 30 years ago!