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2013 Scion FR-S Full Test
The Return of the Sports Car
By Jason Kavanagh, Engineering Editor | Published Apr 25, 2012

Just as it takes a village to raise a child, making a sports car like the 2013 Scion FR-S apparently requires an arduous collaboration between two automakers, a stubborn chief engineer and a whole lot of waiting.
This might be the sixteen-thousandth time you've seen the 2013 Scion FR-S show up on Inside Line. Endless spy photos and auto show teases have finally led to this, our first proper test of the Toyota's highly anticipated rear-wheel-drive coupe.

The birth of the 2013 Scion FR-S and 2013 Subaru BRZ twins may be overdue, but the end result is worth the wait.

A New Sports Car
Skip ahead to our test numbers if you must, but know this: the FR-S is more than the sum of its performance results. The tactility and control afforded by this chassis belies its modest sub-$25,000 price tag.

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For the 12 readers unfamiliar, the FR-S is the product of a collaboration between Subaru and Toyota to produce an affordable, back-to-basics 2+2 sports car for each of them. The true division of responsibility is a bit fuzzy, but it went something like this — Toyota provided much of the direction, handled the styling and assisted with powertrain hardware, while Subaru performed the engineering and development work and manufactures the car in its own plant.

Its body shell is entirely new, the idea being to create a stiff, lightweight sports car that has a center of gravity somewhere below the earth's crust. A new six-speed manual gearbox was developed for the car, as was a heavily reworked version of Subaru's FB-series flat-4. About the only carryover parts are suspension components from Subaru's parts bin.

The chassis is pinprick-precise. You think it; it does it.

Approach the 2013 Scion FR-S in person and the first thing you notice is its size. Rather, the lack of it — at 166.7 inches long, it's a half-inch shorter than a two-seat Nissan 370Z and nearly 16 inches shorter than a Hyundai Genesis Coupe. Sitting 50.6 inches high, it's lower than either of them. The FR-S's compact form is the first clue that this car is unusual.

Get Busy With It
To access the car's personality, press and hold the "VSC Off" button for about 3 seconds. This removes all nannies. Forget the VSC Sport setting. It's simply unnecessary in a car as communicative and predictable as this one. Indeed, the car's limits are ultimately capped not by its chassis but by its relatively skinny, plucked-from-Toyota's-shelf 215/45 Michelin Primacy HP low rolling resistance summer tires. In our testing the FR-S generated 0.88g on the skid pad and turned out a 67.3-mph slalom performance; results that trail those produced by the BRZ we tested. The reason is balance — the FR-S's slightly more tail-happy character makes the numbers less big.

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It's exactly this character combined with the control this chassis lavishes upon the driver that makes the FR-S so much fun to drive. In steady state cornering the FR-S is neutral tending to mild understeer, but by working the weight transfer — and getting rowdy with the steering and throttle — it can be provoked into easily catchable powerslides. Though its ultimate cornering ability won't yank the wax from your ear canals, the breakaway is so progressive that you can use every iota of grip. It's a rare car that won't bite neophyte drivers, yet encourages and rewards those drivers who are willing to manipulate its cornering attitude.
But you don't have to fling the FR-S to enjoy it. The chassis is pinprick-precise, every steering input from the quick rack is rewarded by immediate, slack-free response. You think it; it does it. You won't find this kind of immediacy in a Hyundai Genesis Coupe or Ford Mustang. Meanwhile, there's enough compliance in the suspension to suit daily use. It's appropriately sporting-firm without jiggling every appendage.

In our testing the 2013 Scion FR-S halted from 60 mph in 117 feet, again a tire-limited exercise. The pedal has minimal idle stroke and a solid feel that softens just a bit when you give the brakes a good thrashing.
Between The Turns

The modest grunt from the 2.0-liter boxer four power plant relegates the countersteering hooliganism to low-speed corners. It's an engine that needs to be revved to deliver the goods — its urge flags a bit in the midrange and then pulls with relative enthusiasm to the 7,400-rpm fuel cut. The factory rating is 200 horsepower at 7,000 rpm and 151 lb-ft at 6,600 rpm.

This engine's 4-2-1 exhaust manifold eliminates the characteristic chuffling warble we've come to expect from Subaru boxer engines, so the engine note is something of an amalgam of a flat- and an inline-4. It's not particularly thrilling-sounding, despite the inclusion of a honkus that pipes induction noise to the cabin. But the FA20 is smoother than previous Subaru boxer engines and thrives on high revs, which is where it needs to be to get the most of the engine.

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Sixty miles per hour is reached in 6.6 seconds (6.3 seconds with one foot of rollout like on a drag strip), and the quarter-mile in 14.8 seconds at 93.8 mph. Yes, this result is notably quicker and faster than the BRZ, which did those deeds in 7.3, 7.0, and 15.3 seconds at 92.1, respectively. What's going on?

The data reveals that the BRZ actually accelerated quicker initially, but at 19 mph the Subaru laid over a bit and the Scion powered ahead and never looked back. The explanation is equal parts launch technique and gearchange speed. The Scion's tire-spinning launch allowed it power through the 4000-rpm torque hole we observed in our dyno testing where the Subaru bogged down briefly. Plus, our BRZ tester was plagued with a finicky 1-2 gearchange which ate up precious time en route to 60 mph.

So is the 2013 Scion FR-S fast enough? Yes and no. It isn't slow, but it's so capable and communicative that it could easily exploit more power.

Function Over Form
When you drop into the driver seat it immediately feels well positioned deep into the chassis. There's enough room in the pedal box for easy heel-toe movements with size 11 shoes, the wheel is tidily sized and the gearchange lever moves through its gates fluidly. Crucially, there's enough headroom for your 6-foot, 1-inch all-torso author to don a helmet without it touching the headliner.

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Few concessions to style adorn the simple and businesslike cabin. Manually adjusted grippy cloth seats provide ample support in full-attack maneuvers without compromising comfort for daily use. The steering wheel is devoid of buttons, the tachometer is granted a prominent central placement, and there's a basic three-knob climate control interface. While nothing about it screams "cheap," the interior is where the FR-S's price point is most apparent.

The backseat is perfect for people you don't like. It's cramped back there. Toyota says the car's 2+2 layout was the result not of a desire to increase its marketability but to provide just enough space to package a set of track tires and tools when you fold the backseat down.

According to the EPA, the FR-S delivers 22 mpg in the city and 30 mpg on the highway. We netted 22.6 mpg in a few days of mixed driving that included a photo shoot. Such jackassery isn't representative of normal driving, so don't put too much stock in our result.

Notes From the Chief Engineer
We also chatted with Chief Engineer Tetsuya Tada at an FR-S preview at Spring Mountain Raceway outside of Las Vegas, Nevada. In his personal stable is an AE86 rally car that he exercises in anger on a semi-regular basis. Yeah, he's the right guy to head this project.

Ease of modification played into the decision to adopt the rather expensive port- and direct-injection D-4S fuel system. Tada-san was insistent that the car produce 100 hp/liter from its 2.0-liter engine, and direct injection was required to achieve this goal. However, the chief engineer also wants the FR-S/BRZ to be a blank slate for the tuning community. Making a direct-injection system bend to tuners' will is difficult, but port injection is easy.

The suspension calibration of each car reflects the sensibilities of the two manufacturers: Subaru's customers are accustomed to AWD cars with a lot of stability, and so the BRZ is tuned accordingly. The FR-S's rear suspension is slightly stiffer for less understeer, while the front has a bit less spring rate and revised damper valving to improve steering feel. The remaining suspension components — stabilizer bars, bushing durometers, tires — are identical between the two cars.

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Tetsuya defends the FR-S's front weight bias (55.4 percent of the FR-S's 2,745 pounds sits at the front axle according to our scales) as suiting the power level of the car better than a 50/50 weight distribution. If the car had 300 horsepower instead of 200, he says, then he'd prefer a less nose-heavy weight bias to facilitate traction.

Looking under the hood, the engine sits low but there's a curiously large gap between the rear plane of the engine and the firewall. This car doesn't need to package axles to the front wheels (there will never be an all-wheel-drive variant), so why not shove the engine to within a millimeter of the bulkhead, thereby reducing the car's polar moment of inertia to an absolute minimum?

Tada-san's explanation boils down to this: They had to make room for the steering rack. A front-mount rack location à la Mazda MX-5 was not an option since the boxer engine layout is inherently wide and blocks the way for a steering shaft. To accommodate a front-mounted rack the engine would have to be located where the pedal box currently resides. As such they instead employed a rear-mount rack location that places the rack between the engine and firewall, in the process pushing the engine forward somewhat.

Oh, and according to Tada-san, the twins will undergo continual updates on an annual basis, similar to the approach Nissan takes with the GT-R.

The Wait Is Almost Over
Pricing is very straightforward, as the 2013 Scion FR-S starts at $24,930 with destination when equipped with a six-speed manual. Heretics who insist on the six-speed autobox will have to cough up an additional $1,100.

Other accessories will be available à la carte in usual Scion fashion, the most substantial of which is the 340-watt Pioneer BeSpoke premium audio that features a novel app-based multimedia interface. This system will debut with iPhone capability only, with other device compatibility to follow in the coming months. Pricing for this isn't finalized yet, but it's expected to cost less than $900.

Scion says the FR-S will reach dealership floors on June 1st. That's not too long to wait for the most gratifying sports car to come along in years.

The manufacturer provided Edmunds this vehicle for the purposes of evaluation.


http://www.insideline.com/scion/fr-s/2013/2013-scion-fr-s-full-test.html
 
cheaper, and from what I can read, slightly faster and more drift happy. I'd take this over a BRZ
 
And I just happen to be an internet manager for Toyota :giggle:

I know a little about it.
 
Very nice.

I'm just an internet marketer and social media manager ...for a company that isn't Toyota :giggle:

oh...and build & design websites....and manage online businesses :nerd:
 
And the naysayers on the SI say it does not have a place in the new "turbo world" at 24k and 201hp yet the FRS which posts almost the same performance (actually a little worse) in power and handling and they love it go figure.....
 
Well you have to remember, enthusiasts have been craving a "drivers car". Not that the SI isn't, but this goes back to TOoyta's roots of the AE86.

I personally have not owned a RWD car, but with a better center of gravity than a GTR and some Porsches, thsi vehicle was built to be driven. Toyota designed this car to be a baseline tunable bad *** car. Hopefully it lives up to the expectation, but you really can't compare this to an SI. It's a whole different animal
 
Yes different animal but the only 2 things that separate it are rwd and better wight bias and in stock form the skid pad numbers and slalom are very close and those both equate to handling and also there is the power or lack of Just saying the Si got slammed for the very same performance numbers vs cost ...The Si is a different animal than my WRX's yet i still compare them every time i drive the Si. I started with RWD my first car was an '85 Mustang GT then moved on to a '95 GT Have not owned a RWD since 1998 and have not looked back maybe i should?
 
I agree, Webby.

I think the market is stunned by the support for this car. However, if you know the history with Toyota, everyone knows when they built performance cars, they were bad ***. From the MR2, the Alltrac, AE86, and the Supra, Toyota knew how to do it. I think that is the major hype with the car, everyone is so excited for Toyota to be back in the game. I read somewhere, and I will have to find it, that one editor said the FRS felt just as confident around a track as a Z06 did, to him of course. That alone says a lot to me. I love the SI, and if mine was paid for, I would have never gotten rid of it, but IMO, there has never been an SI that has the potential of this car in terms of track capabilities. Unfortunately, us FWD guys will always deal with understeering pigs. Especially when you start adding big power.
 
I have no problem with the car... if it gets people excited, all good.

another car that is similar: miata: has a curb weight of 2410lbs. I know it's not the same hp/tq figures, but it's also 335lbs lighter than the FRS. I'm sure people will enjoy the frs/brz being low to the ground/rwd. I'm sure it'll have plenty of aftermarket support as well
 
I am aware of the curb weight But Still hold the point of my OP that the Si got slammed vs turbo cars which are "completely different animals" for lack of power at it's price point and the FRS has almost identical if not slower trap, 0-60,skid and slalom and no comparing lack of power and handling and price of the FRS vs MS3,WRX and such based on the test numbers that the Si got slammed for...Again almost identical to the FRS and both the FRS and SI have much better power to weight over those cars. (FRS is still slower with a weight advantage)

Not debating (never was) toyota's,subaru's, honda's or mazda's heritage of high performance cars or the track ability of any of them or that the FRS is a good car just the fact that the Si got multiple bad reviews based on numbers the FRS is throwing down stock for almost the same price.

Also Am i the only one who sees that the BRZ looks almost identical to a BMW Z4 coupe?
 
I have no problem with the car... if it gets people excited, all good.

another car that is similar: miata: has a curb weight of 2410lbs. I know it's not the same hp/tq figures, but it's also 335lbs lighter than the FRS. I'm sure people will enjoy the frs/brz being low to the ground/rwd. I'm sure it'll have plenty of aftermarket support as well

From what I've been getting from Scion, that is the FR-S main competition.
 
All they need to do is turbo it from the factory and it will and kill all competition maybe 2014 the STI will show up.
 
Paging JasonPA! :giggle:

He's coming down to Baltimore to test drive the FRS next Saturday.
 
I don't get round these parts much, but I'll be in Baltimore next saturday, I gotta drive the car because Subaru is sure keeping quiet on when the first brzs will hit the showrooms :mad:
 
In Canada we're only getting the Scion FR-S version to my knowledge. I ALMOST waited for one of these instead of buying the Si, but I was worried about buying a car in it's first ever production year as it usually takes a year or 2 or production to work out all of the bugs. Plus my RSX-S sold super fast (within 5 days) so I would have had to drive my moms Focus for a few months = not very appealing, lol.
 
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