Dilemma: Trade '12 Si coupe in on '12 Si sedan?

2000GM

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This is long winded so bear with me here. When I bought my coupe in June I had intended to buy a sedan. But I laid eyes on the TW coupe and had to get it.

Well, after a few months if driving it, I'm wishing I had gotten the sedan like I intended to.

1) The coupe headroom sucks for me. I like to sit kind of upright. To keep from scraping my head in the coupe I need to sit more reclined than I like. Even when I get it acceptable, I'll often still hit my head on large bumps.

2) The compromised visibility bothers me...specifically over the left shoulder when changing lanes. I drive through nasty freeway traffic a lot and often need to make quick decisions to move over a lane or not. It's hard to judge if I've got room or not because a personal habit if mine has always been to glance over my left shoulder through the rear side door window or rear quarter window to make sure the blind spot is clear. The coupes rear quarter window is too small and the B and C pillars block that view. I put a small convex blind spot mirror on the drivers side mirror but it too hard to trust and does no good at night.

3) Even though its not a primary family travel car, I find that I've had the kids in it a lot more than I figured I would, and even by compact coupe standards, the rear seat is tight and the access is even tighter.

4) My coupe is a 3/15 production car and is right in the middle of the VIN range for the oil consumption problem. My car does burn quite a bit, but not quite enough to meet what Honda considers excessive. So I'm afraid that as long as I own this car, I'll keep adding 2-3 quarts every 5k miles (completely unacceptable in my opinion, but not Honda's) until a few years from now consumption will finally worsen...but I'll be out of warranty and be paying for the piston&ring job myself. I'd imagine any new Si currently on a dealer lot was made after the affected range.

So I got a quote from one dealer of $19,750 for a base model Si sedan. Only problem (for me) is that it's SOP. Definitely an interesting color but I couldn't look at it every day. I would be taking a bit if a bath on trading in the coupe, as I owe about $18,500 on it and I believe clean trade in is about $17,500 but the $3400 off sticker on the sedan will soften that blow. Another dealer I'm waiting to hear back from has a CBP. I'm an old friend of the G.M. who ive contacted directly, so I'm hoping he may get me an even better deal. Not my first color choice either, because of the daunting task of keeping it clean, but I do think the CBP takes the look of the sedan to another level that the other colors don't. Still I'd rather AS or TW, especially to hide the rock chips and road rash that come with driving 25k highway miles a year.

Part of me says wait for the '13s....but then I'd be looking at full sticker price and likely not much of a finance rate. You get .9% on the '12s. Another part of me says wait for a '13 Accord Sport...but that will push my monthly payments out past the magical line in the sand drawn by the CFO...
 

Kurt Muehlbauer

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I drove the coupe and sedan and really liked to coupes ride. I have same issue with head space it sucks! If you were to do the trade do the 12s since even if you know someone the price will be high.

Sorry about your predicament it blows
 

2000GM

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My own fault for being too impulsive. When my wife came along with me to pick up the car she saw it and said "Wait, I thought you were buying the 4-door?"

That's another downside I guess...she'll probably make fun of me for not listening to her back then! Lol.
 

jasonandre

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I know you mentioned other factors, but did you already try adjusting the seat so that it sits lower? I had to drop the seat to it's lowest setting to fit my big head, but after that I sat fine. Only reason I bring that up is because the Sedan has the same problem for us tall people.
And speaking of the Sedan, did you even get a chance to sit in or test drive one?
Financially, you're going to take a hit now matter what. Obviously going from a 2012 to a 2012 might be easier since the low financing offer still stands and dealers are looking to get rid of them, so the real question for you in the end is "are the gains worth the financial loss?"
Personally, if going to Sedan is worth a potential few thousand out of your pocket, then I say do it. And if you're willing to take a $5-10k hit going to a 2013 because the new features are worth it in your eyes, then I say do it.

By the way, if your Coupe's VIN falls into the range of the Service Bulletin, you can get that resolved with no money out of pocket.
 

2000GM

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Yes, I have the seat bottom set all the way down. I actually haven't even sat in a sedan, but I've read that the front headroom is about 1 inch more. Which makes sense when you compare profiles. The coupe roofline begins to slope downward almost immediately aft of the windshield, where as the sedan roof sort of arcs upward a bit over the front half of the cabin and then curves downward.

I should have prefaced my whole post with the fact that I haven't even sat in a. 9th gen sedan, so I am only ASSuming that it would fix these issues.
 

djax

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OP, if you do decide on getting the sedan model, my recommendation is the 2012, mainly from the price point perspective. The dealer quote you received is a good start to getting an even better deal. I know dealers want their 2012 models out as the 2013's are rolling in, so it's a great leverage piece for you to cut perhaps an extra grand off what the dealer you contacted offered. Heck, the day of Honda's unveiling of the 2013 civics had 4 dealers call me to "catch up" on whether I bought my Civic Si. So if you do decide to make the switch, all things considered with finances, then I would recommend shopping around (as many dealers as you can find) to get the price you deserve.
 

jasonandre

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Well let us know how it goes. I like the way the Coupe looks, but I wouldn't trade my Sedan for one. And if you pick up one up, post some pictures!
 

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I doubt finance rates will alter on the 13's, but you obviously have a significant price advantage on a 12. I'd go for another test ride in the sedan and make sure it addresses your concerns with visibility, headroom, & rear space.
 

2000GM

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Another dealer got back to me with a quote of $19,746 (plus tax and registration fees) for a PMM (my second favorite color) sedan. I'm pretty sure I'm going to go look at it. I just had knee surgery on Friday though so I really don't know when I'll be able to drive again.
 

2000GM

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Yeah, as silly as it sounds I might do that. I don't need to actually drive it but she can take me for a ride to check it out. I'm afraid if I wait around it will be gone.
 

2000GM

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I talked it over more with my wife and I just don't think I can do it. As much as I believe a sedan would solve the shortcomings of the coupe, I can't bring myself to swallow the financial loss.

Especially since the sedans I've found don't have navigation. Not that I use the nav in my coupe much, but it would still burn my a$$ a bit to know I had thrown money away, AND was paying a little more a month for a car that was originally a cheaper selling price than the coupe I would have traded in.

I'm going to make an appointment to get the nasty deep metallic rapping I've been experiencing while the engine is cold checked out....sounds like a damn rocker arm is coming off or something. I'll mention my concerns about my oil consumption, and see about the ECU update because I've never had mine checked for available updates but with a 3/12 build I assume its the older pre-update programming, and it rev-hangs like a b!&@h.

So hopefully after that I'll feel better about the car and I'll make a few small cheap mods like rear sway bar and window tint, and then just enjoy the car for what it is, and do my best to adjust to the annoyances for the time being. Then maybe revisit the idea of trading it for something else later down the road.
 

Dragos

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In your shoes I would fix the oil consumption issue, enjoy the car for 2 3 years and then upgrade to something else if still unhappy with the lack of 4 doors. A car with few years still holds a great value and at least you get something out of it for the years you drove it vs the financial loss.
 

Monk

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In your shoes I would fix the oil consumption issue, enjoy the car for 2 3 years and then upgrade to something else if still unhappy with the lack of 4 doors. A car with few years still holds a great value and at least you get something out of it for the years you drove it vs the financial loss.
+1 for what Dragos and jasonandre said......... 2-3 quarts is not normal ....... I'd be complaining if it was over 1/4 quart in 5000 miles."AND" you're on the fix list with your Vin........ Your car is not the only one blowing smoke.......

As for the lane changing get some bigger bubble mirrors for both sides, having been a semi driver, bubble mirrors are the only way I can see to change lanes, once you get use to them, no problem, but these pukey little ones are useless(I place mine in the bottom closest to the car with enough room to see the road looking between the mirror frame and the bottom of the bubble frame). The passenger seat is adjusted so the headrest is not blocking any view(it's in line with the post separating the side and rear side window).I'll try to find a link for the ones I have.
 

Dragos

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Oh yeah, bubble mirrors are extremely useful. I am not sure why they're not standard yet, they increase the visibility a lot and make going through crazy traffic so much easier. I find the north american always check your sides by turning your head more of a risk than advantage. For hesitant drivers taking their eyes off what's in front is not such a good idea, add higher speed to the mix and you get so many accidents.
 

spdandpwr

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You can find GREAT deals on 12s...but I still don't think its worth swallowing the loss as your car is still relatively knew. I say weight until the 14s come out and snag a 13...by then your car won't have negative equity or as much of it and you'll be enjoying the car you wanted. The rearview camera, interior changes, and aesthetics make the 13 a worthwhile vehicle.
 

2000GM

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Yeah that's the conclusion I came too. When I started this thread I had just had knee surgery so I was laid up with lots of time on my hands in the recliner lol. So when I looked around online and got quotes for how cheap '12s were going for, the idea sort of snowballed in my head. I came to my senses after a few days.

Since then my car has been in for the piston replacement job and I'm just getting back to driving it. I'm still thinking of trading it in, due to the issues that are bothering me about being a coupe, and because its still burning oil....which is likely just due to the new rings needing to seat. However I think if I do it's going to be on an Accord Sport manual trans, or....nobody curse me...a Focus ST. We'll see what happens in a few months.
 
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